Unredacted Govt. Documents Reveal Some Prisoners Tortured to Death

[Facial_King]

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/...rture,_including_prisoners_tortured_to_death/

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Unredacted_documents_reveal_prisoners_tortured_to_0212.html

excerpt from the 2nd link:

"In a press release, the ACLU summarized the documents as detailing, "[An] investigation of two deaths at Bagram. Both detainees were determined to have been killed by pulmonary embolism caused as a result of standing chained in place, sleep depravation and dozens of beatings by guards and possibly interrogators. (Also reveals the use of torture at Gitmo and American-Afghani prisons in Kabul).

"[An] investigation into the homicide or involuntary manslaughter of detainee Dilar Dababa by U.S. forces in 2003 in Iraq.

"[An] investigation launched after allegations that an Iraqi prisoner was subjected to torture and abuse at 'The Disco' (located in the Special Operations Force Compound in Mosul Airfield, Mosul, Iraq). The abuse consisted of filling his jumpsuit with ice, then hosing him down and making him stand for long periods of time, sometimes in front of an air conditioner; forcing him to lay down and drink water until he gagged, vomited or choked, having his head banged against a hot steel plate while hooded and interrogated; being forced to do leg lifts with bags of ice placed on his ankles, and being kicked when he could not do more.

"[An] investigation of allegations of torture and abuse that took place in 2003 at Abu Ghraib.

"[And an] investigation that established probable cause to believe that U.S. forces committed homicide in 2003 when they participated in the binding of detainee Abed Mowhoush in a sleeping bag during an interrogation, causing him to die of asphyxiation."

The unredacted pages themselves are here:

http://www.aclu.org/images/torture/asset_upload_file293_38710.pdf

 

[grassninja]

Conservative or liberal, I doubt any reasonably intelligent person would believe it was likely that at least some torture took place. The other question is whether there were times it was justified and times it was unjustified.

 

[ChefChiTown]

Conservative or liberal, I doubt any reasonably intelligent person would believe it was likely that at least some torture took place. The other question is whether there were times it was justified and times it was unjustified.

Expect a good number of people to quote this exact part of your post and tell you that torture is never justified.

But, then go into the thread about the mother who poured gasoline all over the man who raped her daughter, burning him alive, and notice how the same people that tell you that torture is never justified will be the same people giving that mother a great deal of praise, claiming that she was completely justified for doing what she did.

That thread would be here, just for future reference.

 

[Namreg]

the mother didn't torture an innocent man because her president and his cronies want to steal oil, she killed her daughter's rapist. that is quite a difference.

 

[D-rock]

Expect a good number of people to quote this exact part of your post and tell you that torture is never justified.

But, then go into the thread about the mother who poured gasoline all over the man who raped her daughter, burning him alive, and notice how the same people that tell you that torture is never justified will be the same people giving that mother a great deal of praise, claiming that she was completely justified for doing what she did.

That thread would be here, just for future reference.

One could make an argument that there is a big difference between torturing somebody and just killing them.

 

[ChefChiTown]

the mother didn't torture an innocent man because her president and his cronies want to steal oil, she killed her daughter's rapist. that is quite a difference.

9/11? Worst thing to ever happen in this country? Remember that?

And, who is to say that the people getting tortured were innocent?

One could make an argument that there is a big difference between torturing somebody and just killing them.

He was burned alive. I'm pretty sure that's the definition of torture.

:2 cents:

 

[Philbert]

It still seems unbelieveable to me that 3, or 6, dead Iraqi insurgents are too much a price to pay for saving American lives...
We all know weak and selfish people, they have always been around and will always be around.
Doesn't change the reality...if an Iraqi dies who might save a few of our guys, then the Iraqi dies.
There have been thousands of us killed, often painfully and brutally...any price is not too much to pay to save our soldier's lives.
There isn't any other side to this discussion...period.


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[Namreg]

9/11? Worst thing to ever happen in this country? Remember that?

some taxi driver in afghanistan didn't fly airplanes into any buildings. just because something bad happened to your country doesn't justify treating all brown-coloured people as terrorists. and please don't try to disguise your racism as patriotism.

 

[DukeLaCrosse]

9/11? Worst thing to ever happen in this country? Remember that?

And, who is to say that the people getting tortured were innocent?



He was burned alive. I'm pretty sure that's the definition of torture.

:2 cents:

so these iraqis who were tortured to death were behind 9/11?

 

[Dean Wormer]

The ACLU means well but they just don't understand how dirty a business war is and the code by which it is conducted.

The ends justifies the means.

 

[Philbert]

your an idiot

Thank you...considering the source, that's a compliment.:thumbsup:

 

[Facial_King]

The ACLU means well but they just don't understand how dirty a business war is and the code by which it is conducted.

The ends justifies the means.

Don't know whether to laugh or cry.

You could at least be a bit more honest - and precise - by saying that the ends justifies the means when you agree with the ends.

I'm sure that the plotters of 9/11 and the proponents of the dominance of Sharia law agree with your maxim that the ends justifies the means. And when one believes that, there's no limit to the depths that can be sunk to.

 

[Philbert]

Don't know whether to laugh or cry.

You could at least be a bit more honest - and precise - by saying that the ends justifies the means when you agree with the ends.

I'm sure that the plotters of 9/11 and the proponents of the dominance of Sharia law agree with your maxim that the ends justifies the means. And when one believes that, there's no limit to the depths that can be sunk to.

I take that to mean you feel the Islamic radicals are ok guys, and you approve of dead Americans?
Speaking of "sinking to the depths"...I don't hear you crying, so that means you think it's funny...? Being honest...?

 

[Facial_King]

I take that to mean you feel the Islamic radicals are ok guys, and you approve of dead Americans?
Speaking of "sinking to the depths"...I don't hear you crying, so that means you think it's funny...? Being honest...?

If that's how you interpret what I said then I think your reading comprehension is simply too rock-bottom for me to attempt to provide an explanation, which really should be unnecessary.

 

[Philbert]

If that's how you interpret what I said then I think your reading comprehension is simply too rock-bottom for me to attempt to provide an explanation, which really should be unnecessary.

Your position is as clear as can be...it doesn't require any reading comprehension to get where you come from.
If you need any help understanding my previous post, re-read it and then ask for help if you need some.

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=3020086&postcount=7

 

[capricorn]

It still seems unbelieveable to me that 3, or 6, dead Iraqi insurgents are too much a price to pay for saving American lives...
We all know weak and selfish people, they have always been around and will always be around.
Doesn't change the reality...if an Iraqi dies who might save a few of our guys, then the Iraqi dies.
There have been thousands of us killed, often painfully and brutally...any price is not too much to pay to save our soldier's lives.
There isn't any other side to this discussion...period.

Have you heard of a principle that says "all are innocent until proven guilty"?

As far as I know, some some of the prisoners were released from Guantanamo and charges against them were dropped? Do you think it was okay to torture them?

How would you like to be arrested for, say, killing somebody in an armed robbery, just because you fit the description, and then tortured to confess your crime and give up your partners?

 

[Latterer]

As far as I know, some some of the prisoners were released from Guantanamo and charges against them were dropped? Do you think it was okay to torture them?

First, torture is wrong, period. That being said, we don't know if all the prisoners at Gitmo were tortured. They were primarily kept there because american law has evidence standards which presumably cannot be met on the battlefield.

 

[capricorn]

They were primarily kept there because american law has evidence standards which presumably cannot be met on the battlefield.

What's Guantanamo got to do with the battlefield?

Heck, the battlefield is on the other side of the world.

 

[Facetious]

I knew that it was you all along, FakeKing.


:jester:

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

I have a, no, two simple questions to ask. Hope some one will answer those, honestly.
1. Are the events true?
2. If yes, then, did America prove that they are morally & culturally superior to the tortured, by their act?

Justification, yes you can justify anything. Even a psychopath has a justification for the serial killings. Does one's good has to be somebody else's bad?